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Wils 4:39 Tue Sep 21
Marcos Alonso doesn't take the knee.
No pressure on players to take the knee, apparently. But look at the abuse Alonso is getting on social media for choosing not to do it, Many people saying "he should have consulted with his black teammates before taking the decision" You need their permission NOT to take the knee it seems. But good to see Tuchel supporting him here...


https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11661/12413223/marcos-alonso-chelsea-defender-to-stop-taking-knee-after-claiming-anti-racism-gesture-is-losing-strength

Marcos Alonso says he will no longer take a knee before matches as the Chelsea defender believes the anti-racism gesture is "losing strength", with head coach Thomas Tuchel admitting he understands his player's reasoning.

The Spain left-back says he will instead point to the Premier League 'No Room for Racism' badge on his sleeve, while other players kneel ahead of kick-off.

Since the Premier League resumed in the summer of 2020 after a coronavirus-enforced break, players, officials and staff at games have been taking a knee before kick-off to show support for the movement for racial equality.

"I am fully against racism and I'm against every type of discrimination, and I just prefer to put my finger to the badge where it says no to racism, like they do in some other sports and football in other countries," Alonso said.

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Alonso says he will instead point to the Premier League's 'No Room for Racism' campaign badge on his sleeve
"I prefer to do it this way and, of course, to say very clearly that I am against racism and I respect everybody."

Asked whether or not his decision to stop taking the knee had anything to do with politics, Alonso said: "I don't know, I just prefer to do it this way. It's my way to do it, I think it's another way.

"And maybe I think it's losing a bit of strength the other way, so I just prefer to do it this way and to show I am fully
Crystal Palace forward Wilfried Zaha became the first top-flight player to opt out of the gesture, earlier this year, after stating his belief that taking a knee is "degrading".

Alonso, who was speaking to the media following Chelsea's victory over Tottenham on Sunday, said he had not discussed his decision with any of his Chelsea team-mates, several of whom have been victims of racial abuse.


Chelsea forward Romelu Lukaku (left) is one of several of Alonso's team-mates who have been victims of racial abuse
Reece James, Antonio Rudiger, N'Golo Kante and Romelu Lukaku have all faced abuse in recent years, with England defender James temporarily deleting his Instagram account earlier this year due to the scale of online abuse.

"No, we haven't talked about it," Alonso said.

"We are in the changing room and we are like a family. I have a very good relationship with everyone, I love everyone and up to now we haven't talked about it. I don't think there is a need to, but, of course, if I have to speak to anyone, I will say the same thing I just told you and I don't think there will be any problems."

Alonso confirmed he intends to maintain his stance for the rest of the season, adding: "Yeah, for now I prefer to point to the sleeve and that's what I will do."


Tuchel: Marcos' decision could prompt discussion
Chelsea boss Tuchel has said the club accepts Alonso's decision to stop taking a knee, and acknowledges it could prompt a discussion among the squad as to how they tackle racism in the future.

Tuchel said: "It's not a discussion in the group, but of course if a player takes a decision like this, we are not in a bubble - of course then discussions come up. The most important thing is I know Marcos personally and I trust him 1000 per cent that he is absolutely committed against racism and any form of racism. There is no question about it. We are all against it.

"We took the decision to take the knee together. Maybe it takes action against a routine to wake up again and have another good discussion. We want to do the most against racism and stand up against it.

"There are different forms of doing it. Marcos took his position. He's a grown up, a responsible person. This is his decision, we accept it, he gave his reasons for it and from here the discussion can end or go in a productive way maybe to do more."


Isn't it always like this? Once you do a gesture, and everybody is doing it, and once you do it so often because there are so many games it becomes normal. Then maybe it lowers the effect of it. If this is his point, I can see his point.

Thomas Tuchel on Alonso's decision
Asked if he understands Alonso's point about the gesture lacking strength, Tuchel added: "Isn't it always like this? Once you do a gesture, and everybody is doing it, and once you do it so often because there are so many games it becomes normal.

"Then maybe it lowers the effect of it. If this is his point, I can see his point. We can now discuss if it's necessary to have this discussion and be the only guy standing up.

"He's pretty aware of it, he's experienced enough, responsible enough. This development started with single persons taking a knee, and it became a bigger thing.

"Marcos' point is that it cannot end like this and it cannot become normal. What should be normal is that we're against racism. I understand Marcos thinks there's always more to do, of course we want to focus on sports, but use the platform and possibilities that we have. How we produce performances together is by living by example."

Alonso, who had fallen out of favour at Chelsea under Frank Lampard before Tuchel's arrival last season, has made a strong start to the 2021/22 campaign, starting all five Premier League games ahead of England defender Ben Chilwell.

The high regard in which Tuchel holds Alonso was highlighted by the former Bolton and Sunderland defender being given the captain's armband as Chelsea beat Aston Villa earlier this month.

Sunday's 3-0 win at Spurs maintained the European champions' unbeaten start to the season, during which they have claimed four wins and a draw from a tough opening schedule.

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mallard 4:49 Tue Sep 21
Re: Marcos Alonso doesn't take the knee.
ZZZZZZZZZZZ!!

Irish Hammer 4:49 Tue Sep 21
Re: Marcos Alonso doesn't take the knee.
What has changed against racism since this stance started ?

What have Uefa FIFA the FA actually done ?

Fucking nothing. The players should be taking the knee and wearing teeshirts aimed at the above organisations actually doing something.

Yet the endless online abuse, monkey chants and everything continues unabated.

Organisations should either Take it seriously or else forgo the pr bullshit

Coffee 4:57 Tue Sep 21
Re: Marcos Alonso doesn't take the knee.
Irish

I think it's all to do with awareness and cultivating a sense of what's unacceptable.

But it's run its course now and there seems no logical reason to continue it. People have to understand that not taking the knee does not make you racist.

Mex Martillo 4:58 Tue Sep 21
Re: Marcos Alonso doesn't take the knee.
mallard 4:49 Tue Sep 21

goose 4:59 Tue Sep 21
Re: Marcos Alonso doesn't take the knee.
Racist.

chim chim cha boo 5:08 Tue Sep 21
Re: Marcos Alonso doesn't take the knee.
I'm for anything that mixes it up and continues to keep the subject relevant so good on him.

I'd personally love it if half the players took the knee and half didn't then explained clearly why they didn't.

Football is much more universal and multicultural than a sport like F1. When they refuse to take the knee they just look like a bunch of entitled NAZI school children.

It means so much more than the gesture itself when half your team, your closest pals, are black

Mike Oxsaw 5:14 Tue Sep 21
Re: Marcos Alonso doesn't take the knee.
I was not a racist before all this taking the knee twatting started, and I'm not a racist now. It has changed sweet fuck all for me.

I am more liable now, though, to tell somebody to fuck right off should they try to tell me how I express myself, so I'm fully behind this sort of stance.

All this has done is make it harder for people to get the true message across - or maybe they were hoping this knee bollocks would drive me to become racist so they could then "convert" me back and chalk up a victory.

Wils 5:23 Tue Sep 21
Re: Marcos Alonso doesn't take the knee.
"When they refuse to take the knee they just look like a bunch of entitled NAZI school children."

Suggesting he needs to ask his black teammates before deciding not to take the knee is not nazi behaviour though right? How about telling the black players they need to consult their white teammates before making certain decisions on what they can and can't do before a match.

Forcing or pressurising people to think or behave a certain way should make anyone sit up and wonder who the nazis or totalitarians are. And anyone who scoffs at people who think it's a Marxist gesture just needs to look at how people are treated if they are brave enough to decide they don't want to do it.

Hammer and Pickle 5:25 Tue Sep 21
Re: Marcos Alonso doesn't take the knee.
Must be terrible living under the pressure of the expectation to show a bit of respect and dignity.

You poor, poor little lambkins.

Vexed 5:26 Tue Sep 21
Re: Marcos Alonso doesn't take the knee.
Good for him. If these cunts really want to make a gesture, they should think about doing it about something the actually really fucking matters, like people fucking dying and shit. Not "Oh no someone called me a 'Fergal Sharkey' on the Internet and now I'm all sad." Nobody dies from being abused on social media however unpleasant it is. This shit just isn't important.

⚒️ 5:27 Tue Sep 21
Re: Marcos Alonso doesn't take the knee.
Can’t say I’m surprised to learn the cold blooded killer is a racist.

Mike Oxsaw 5:30 Tue Sep 21
Re: Marcos Alonso doesn't take the knee.
That'll be the S.S. gene - it's only one generation removed.

Lee Trundle 5:35 Tue Sep 21
Re: Marcos Alonso doesn't take the knee.
You'd have to be a drunken idiot to think this has done any good at expelling racism.

Side of Ham 5:37 Tue Sep 21
Re: Marcos Alonso doesn't take the knee.
Knives seem to make black lives insignificant, tackle that......when they take the knee at the London stadium they should read the local newspapers and the constant unecessary deaths happening within walking distance........

.....it's a problem in football yes, but the main problem is just being distracted from by this.....

Lee Trundle 5:39 Tue Sep 21
Re: Marcos Alonso doesn't take the knee.
They'd have a point if the racism was as bad here as it is in the middle east, australia or poland, for example.

Why not target the shitholes?

Hammer and Pickle 5:43 Tue Sep 21
Re: Marcos Alonso doesn't take the knee.
Go on, have an even bigger childish fit, Twundle.

Look - Poland.

P
O
LAND

Jaan Kenbrovin 5:45 Tue Sep 21
Re: Marcos Alonso doesn't take the knee.
Lee Trundle 5:39 Tue Sep 21

Because it would be racist to point out other races racism.

Wils 5:46 Tue Sep 21
Re: Marcos Alonso doesn't take the knee.
"Must be terrible living under the pressure of the expectation to show a bit of respect and dignity."

Nothing dignified about pressuring people onto their knees to show 'respect' to one particular race of people who are kneeling next to you making black power salutes as you do it.

tonka 5:47 Tue Sep 21
Re: Marcos Alonso doesn't take the knee.
Re: Marcos Alonso doesn't take the knee.
What has changed against racism since this stance started ?

Increased it. Which was the plan all along. The more we are at each other, the more the elite can get away with whatever the fuck they want.

Side of Ham 5:48 Tue Sep 21
Re: Marcos Alonso doesn't take the knee.
You hide behind your country's racism Pickle whilst trying to dig out our country.....if that wasn't the truth you'd keep your gob shut on here and concentrate on solving the abundance of racial ignorance thriving where you CHOOSE to live.

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